Michele vents about how she’s finally getting enough sleep and how she’s trying to transform from a night owl into a morning person to carve out more time for herself. She talks about the book What the Most Successful People Do Before Breakfast by Laura Vanderkam.
Today’s guest is Dr. Russell Ledet, a scientist, medical student, and cofounder of the 15 White Coats, an organization that raises funds for students of color to apply to medical school. Dr. Ledet tells us how he grew up poor with little opportunity, which inspired him to join the Navy. His wife later convinced him to go to college, and we went on to get a PhD from NYU in molecular oncology and now pursue his medical degree and MBA at Tulane University. He shares his story about working as a security guard at a hospital- the same hospital where he now wears scrubs and a white coat as a med student. Dr. Ledet talks about his desire to lead a life of impact and to pursue what he’s most passionate about to set a strong example for his children.
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Michele vents about how she’s finally getting enough sleep and how she’s trying to transform from a night owl into a morning person to carve out more time for herself. She talks about the book What the Most Successful People Do Before Breakfast by Laura Vanderkam.
Today’s guest is Dr. Russell Ledet, a scientist, medical student, and cofounder of the 15 White Coats, an organization that raises funds for students of color to apply to medical school. Dr. Ledet tells us how he grew up poor with little opportunity, which inspired him to join the Navy. His wife later convinced him to go to college, and we went on to get a PhD from NYU in molecular oncology and now pursue his medical degree and MBA at Tulane University. He shares his story about working as a security guard at a hospital- the same hospital where he now wears scrubs and a white coat as a med student. Dr. Ledet talks about his desire to lead a life of impact and to pursue what he’s most passionate about to set a strong example for his children.
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Michele Baci 0:05
Therapy Roulette: Consent to Vent / Trauma disguised as comedy / Therapy Roulette: Consent to Vent / If you don’t have problems, then you’re likely repressing sh*t and you should find a therapist / (Who’s not me)
Michele Baci 0:21
Hey, everybody, I'm
Michele Baci 0:22
back. Welcome to another episode of Therapy Roulette: Consent to Vent, where you can laugh about all the bad stuff that's happened to you and process it through a therapeutic lens. Although I am not a therapist, and this is not therapy. If you think this is therapy, you might be confused.
Michele Baci 0:41
I want to start a new segment, having to do with the subtitle consensus event where I just vent for a little bit about something on my mind, and I'm gonna start inviting my guests to vent as well. I want to read about sleep. Okay, have you have you heard of sleep, it's this thing we we've been doing all of our lives. And scientists don't really understand why or how, or what sleep is doing to us only that is restorative. And I'm not a scientist either. But but in the past year, since our pandemic struck, I have been sleeping in, despite the fact that I get more sleep than ever, because I'm not driving to work. I don't have a commute, I work from home. So I'm able to like roll out of bed at the last possible second, if I need to, like I am at a job where it's flexible enough, I can set something like my own schedule. So I don't have to clock in until 930, which I am definitely blessed to do. And I can wake up at, you know, 930 and crawl to the desk and clock in. I don't have to drive anywhere. I don't have to put on sunblock like I do every day in Los Angeles from driving. I can, you know, pour a bowl of cereal and eat at my desk while I'm starting my day. So I've actually in the past week, maybe past few weeks, I've been sleeping restfully enough where I actually don't sleep it because I've been working on becoming more of a morning person, because that's what all the successful, wealthy smart people, do. They they take advantage of their mornings. So I've been working on waking up earlier, which is really hard for me. And I think by starting out small, like I knew realistically, it couldn't wake up at 7am if I'm used to waking up at 930. So I've been trying to wake up like a little bit earlier, realistically, like 45 minutes earlier, 30 minutes earlier. And this is the first week where I've actually like woken up before I had to be up and I'm still lying in bed and snoozing my three alarms because I always set too many alarms. So my brain knows up. Michele, you set three alarms so you can wake up at the third alarm, and you'll be fine. So I still need to unlearn that trick in my brain. But I'm proud of myself for becoming this semi morning person. So I listen to this audio book by Laura Vander kam called what the most successful people do before breakfast. And I had heard her talk about this book before and I wanted to read it because this seems like the key to everything. You know, this seems like the key to the palace is targeting that time before breakfast, when it might still be dark out. When most people are still sleeping, or at least they haven't really started their day yet. They're either working on their own stuff like jogging or writing or, you know, learning a secret language, whatever you do at the dawn hours, they're doing their own thing before they have to go to work or with it before they have to like wake up with their kids or their spouse or whatever. So I read this book, and it was quick. It's like an hour and 15 minutes, it's a quick read on audiobook and what I gained from it was, you want to look forward to your morning, you want a reason to wake up, that's gonna get you out of bed. So find something to be grateful for in your day in your morning, whether it's coffee, or a pet, or like opening the windows saying hello to your plants. Maybe I do that. Find something to look forward to every day and make rituals. If there's something you want to do, make sure it happens make that the first thing you do, because we have the most willpower in the morning. And I really got into the idea of learning about this and becoming a morning person more so after I talked to today's guest because he is such a successful person. He is doing everything he has. I'm gonna give him a proper introduction in a second but he has multiple degrees. He's, you know, co founding an organization that's providing scholarships to people of color to go to med school. He's an inspiration and it was so cool to talk to him and he's very humble and does not even complain like he's not gonna claiming that he's tired, and he clearly wakes up early and get shit done before the day starts. So props to him. Yeah, I just am in awe of people who wake up at 6am. I don't know, I've done it before I, you know, I did it plenty at my TV job because television loves to start early. But I, you know, I had to, I had to wake up at six, so I could get ready for the day. So I can eat breakfast and pack lunch and make my commute to work. If I don't have to do that. It's hard to motivate myself to do it. But my point is, I'm waking up, I'm still snoozing my alarms, but I'm actually waking up at a decent time. So I can get something done in the morning before I have to start my day job. And that is the goal I've been working toward is carve out space for myself before my workday starts. So I could either get writing done, podcast work done, or exercise today, I chose to exercise and I took a very leisurely stroll around the neighborhood, because that's kind of where my level of exercise is that right now. But hey, I got out of the house got some sunshine and a little bit of a walk in me. And that felt really good. I'm so proud of myself. So I'm working on changing my night owl schedule into an early bird schedule or something to that degree. And I've done this before, I've had to do it in college, when I signed up for like 7am 8am classes like, like a way to optimistic person. And I know I can do it right, I just about doing it and changing my habits going to bed late. And right now as I am recording this, it's you know, it's getting to be late at night, I told myself, I would go to bed before now. So I'm breaking my own rule. So I do have to give myself the space to fail or mess up and say, Hey, like, hey, Michele, you're doing great, you're taking steps toward change, and you're gonna go to bed early, you're not going to stay up until it's 3am, you're going to go to bed relatively early for me. And I'm going to wake up relatively early for me. And just because I am running behind schedule, I'm not going to beat myself up about it. And I'm just like, caught up in my my vision of the future. If you can wake up early, if you can be one of these people who wakes up at 6am Oh my God, I could do anything. Because anything seems possible when the world is sleeping, and no one's calling you and no one's emailing you. Unfortunately, this is never true for me, because I do live in Los Angeles, and my family and friends are on the east coast. So I frequently do have like people texting or emailing. I get a lot of spam calls at 6am. But my phone's on silent. And that's the trick. So if I can become an early bird, I may be unstoppable. And you could do we could all do it. Or if you achieve perfect night owl hours, whatever works for you, whatever works in fitting in your dreams. The main point is you have to fit them in somehow. And the early morning just seems to be the best time when people are not going to bother you. The people you live with your family, your significant other, they're not going to be like bugging you to do X, Y and Z no emergencies will happen. Hopefully, no, you know, circumstantial stuff is happening at 6am. It's just quiet. And then you can just do you, you can do something for you. And oh my god, that's what I've been looking for this whole time. So I hope to be doing more of it. I'll keep you updated. As always, please contact me with anything therapy related. If you want to discuss a problem, a funny anecdote, anything that's happened to you in therapy recently or with a therapist, please share it with the podcast, I would love to read your story on air. Or if you want to DM me on social media, my handles are down below in the show notes. And I'd love to hear from you because I think therapy is not talked about enough. And I just want to normalize it here about it. I've had so many wacky therapists in the past that it helps to hear other people's stories of unorthodox methods in the mental health field. Yeah, I don't really need to tell you anything else because I just want you to listen to this interview. It's so amazing. Today's guest is Dr. Russell, the de he's a third year medical student at Tulane University School of Medicine. He's also an MBA student at the same time at Tulane University School of Business. He's a scientist and he previously got his PhD from NYU School of Medicine where he studied protein modifications in prostate cancer. I forget the science words, but he you know, he has a degree in science stuff. He is also the co founder of the 15 white coats a group of medical students raising funds for scholarships for students of color to apply to medical school and I'll drop the link to the 15 white coats down below in the show notes. I'd like to give a warm welcome to Dr. Russell Ledet
Theme Song 9:48
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Michele Baci 10:02
Not me. Hi, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Therapy Roulette: Consent to Vent. I'm here with Russell Ledet, Dr. Ledet. He is a third year medical student at Tulane University of medical school and he is an MBA student. He's given me a look like I already messed up his introduction, so you can correct me. He has a PhD from NYU. He was he was in the Navy. He's a veteran, and he's constantly doing good things like the 15 white coats, which he'll tell us more about Dr. Levey, welcome to the podcast.
Dr. Russell Ledet 10:36
Thank you for having me. Excited to be on here.
Michele Baci 10:39
I can't believe your resume. That's so impressive. I have like one degree. And I'm always like, should I even take a class? I don't know. Like, I'm always intimidated by more education. So tell us like, What inspired you to go to med school? How is that going? How is it taking on an MBA at the same time? Like, what's your relationship with academia right now?
Dr. Russell Ledet 11:01
Well, I mean, we have a long term relationship. So
Michele Baci 11:05
it sounds like it
Dr. Russell Ledet 11:07
is safe to say we're in a long term relationship. You know, it's kind of funny to have gone through all the schooling because, you know, growing up, I didn't even think college was an option. So you know, to go through all this education and then not have to pay for very much of it is great. You know, I after, after my first five years of military, active duty tommix, United States Navy. My wife convinced me to go to college, she convinced me that I was smarter. No. So I went to Southern University, and a new college in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, which is a historically black college and university, in finished up with degrees in chemistry and biology there, and then decided to, it took me about four years to finish that, and then decided to go and get a PhD at NYU School of Medicine, and molecular oncology and tumor immunology, in the labs of a micro Garabedian and Susan Logan. And then, as I was finishing up my PhD, I remember sitting down having a conversation with a physician about a treatment for a patient who had advanced prostate cancer. And I understood a lot about prostate cancer, but I had no clue how to treat the patient. Like I was a scientist, and I understood scientifically, you know, proteins, protein modification, how to analyze proteins, how to understand what those modifications meant in terms of progression of the cancer, and then how we could leverage that to treat the cancer in vitro. But then, when it came down to like, actually cheating the human I was like, I don't even know where to start. made me uncomfortable. So I said, I guess I should go to medical school.
Michele Baci 12:58
That was the impetus, like you just wanted to know how to hurt how to hurt how to help the human.
Dr. Russell Ledet 13:03
Yeah. Yeah. Cuz I understood the disease, but didn't understand how to treat the disease. Yeah, what the side effects look like, or, you know, you know, what was, you know, bowel incontinence, like, all these things that are like now, you know, I really understand and they're like, second nature, and I have a deep, somewhat deep understanding of medicine. Now. I lacked that when I was in graduate school, and I'm so glad I did it. I will honestly say that I'm so glad that I came to medical school. Because the confidence I have to talk about my science is totally different now. Because now I understand the scientific side and the medical side. Yeah, that's a whole nother level.
Michele Baci 13:56
So you really went for the pursuit of knowledge? Like just to broaden your understanding? Yeah. It's like you didn't feel adequate enough. As a scientist, you're like, let me also be a doctor.
Dr. Russell Ledet 14:07
Yeah, that's pretty much there. That was that was the that was the impetus.
Michele Baci 14:10
That's pretty badass of you. I admire that. And I love that your wife encouraged you to go to school. was she? Like, did she pursue her own career? Like similarly? or was she just like really trying to get you out into the world like that, so that you're capable?
Dr. Russell Ledet 14:27
Yeah. So that's a great question. I mean, it was a little complicated. So basically, I been going on deployment after deployment after deployment. And finally, my wife was like, we can't build a family with you, you know, deployment all the time. So yeah, how about we do something more realistic, and you just go ahead and go to college? And I was like, I'm not even smart enough to like, Listen, you are more than smarter. But I didn't have a reference point. You know, so Cuz you're
Michele Baci 15:00
coming out of the Navy, how long were you in the Navy for?
Dr. Russell Ledet 15:03
Yeah, I have been on active duty for five years. And you know, coming closer to that five year mark, my wife was like, Nah, you gotta go to college. And I didn't have a reference point because my mom hadn't gone to college. My dad hadn't gone to college. Oh, you know, my cousin's had gone to like, like, associate's degrees, you know, type stuff. And they didn't like the kind of college and my wife was talking about with a four year college. Right? So I just didn't have like, I didn't have a reference point.
Michele Baci 15:35
And there was no one in your family doing that.
Dr. Russell Ledet 15:38
And it was like, kind of crazy. I mean, of course, I had the GI Bill and stuff. So like, pay for it. But I was like, Yeah, I can pay for it. But like, what if I flunk out? Because I'm not like smart enough or anything like that.
Michele Baci 15:48
Right. And so you were intimidated?
Dr. Russell Ledet 15:51
Or I don't know, I don't know if intimidated, right, where I just think I was ignorant. It was like, I didn't know. So when you before you
Michele Baci 16:01
take on a big a new big new challenge. It's like, getting started as is what really holds you up. You're like, Can I do it? I don't know. And then you kind of get in your head.
Dr. Russell Ledet 16:11
Yeah, exactly. So I mean, I was kind of afraid. But my wife was, you know, she had gone to college. When I left for the Navy, and then she kind of I think like when we the whole like planning for a wedding like chronic. D wrote her a little bit so she stopped.
Unknown Speaker 16:30
Yeah, it takes a lot of time.
Dr. Russell Ledet 16:34
I don't I didn't have anything to do with it.
Michele Baci 16:37
I'm sure you were there.
Dr. Russell Ledet 16:38
Yeah, I made it. I made it there on time. That's about as far as that goes. Once you know she's she's been my mentor since day one. You know, she comes from a very different background me.
Michele Baci 16:50
Sounds like a good catch someone who's like no, you you can go to college. You should do it for our family. She was being practical.
Dr. Russell Ledet 16:57
Yeah. And I wasn't. So yeah, that's,
Michele Baci 17:03
that's such a cool story. I I'll get more into like your current med student life and all that. But I want to ask you just a little bit because it's a therapy podcast. How was your childhood growing up?
Dr. Russell Ledet 17:17
Um, childhood was hell on earth. And I don't say it in a bad way. I said it is. Like, that's just realistically what it was. It was hard. Yeah, it was hard. We were broke. We have nothing. Yeah, nothing. Was I mean, yeah, man. Like, there was a point where, you know, he was lighting candles, cuz we have lights. You know, it was just like, we was digging in dumpsters for dinner behind the Sam's Club. Oh, growing up in around Lake Charles, Louisiana. No, I grew up in Lake Charles Louisiana. Okay, which is a city that just got hit by Hurricane Laura actually went on Good Morning America to talk about it. Um, but yeah, it was just, it's just like, Really? It's crazy. To think about the way that I grew up, which is why I always answer my mom's calls. Because like, my mama was willing to, like, expose me to everything that she could, even though we were so poor. Mm hmm. So like she would take she was a certified nurse's aide. So she will work at these retirement homes and nursing homes, in the people there were finished reading books, and she would ask them, is it okay if I take these books home to my kids?
Unknown Speaker 18:43
Oh, smart mom.
Dr. Russell Ledet 18:45
Yeah. And that's how we got exposed to books. I think by the time I graduated high school, I had read close to 2000 books. Oh, you know, it is crazy. For somebody who I read 2000 books in it. You think they were capable of going to college?
Michele Baci 19:00
Mm hmm. Like you just I feel like without having the role models directly in your life, you're like, Well, why would I go to college? No one else is going.
Dr. Russell Ledet 19:09
Yeah, exactly. So you know, that's just really what it was. So like, my mom, just she always did the best she could. You know, in hindsight, I'm always grateful for everything that she's done because I couldn't imagine being in her shoes. You know, my wife and I are raising two young beautiful black communities now it's under. It's kind of I couldn't imagine being my mom raising kids by herself. She raised two kids by herself. Yeah, she she she had her hands for 24 seven and I'm grateful for it. So every time I get on a podcast I shout out mama Dukes cuz she held me down for a long time.
Michele Baci 19:51
Mama Dukes keeping keeping the kids alive and smart and fed.
Dr. Russell Ledet 19:56
She she did everything for us. That's not easy. I wasn't easy. But it also gave me the I think a lot of my strength and my motor to keep being as productive as I am. comes from seeing what my mom was able to do. With very little. I have much more than my mom had when I was growing up. Yeah, so you've been using it for good.
Michele Baci 20:20
Yeah, you're improving the lives of your own family and working hard for them. That's awesome. Have you ever sought out therapy or like mental health support or anything in that field?
Dr. Russell Ledet 20:33
Yeah, I mean, for sure. Especially when I came back.
Unknown Speaker 20:38
From
Dr. Russell Ledet 20:40
when I came back from my first deployment, a voice ship. I like struggling to like, readjust to, like normal life. like going to the grocery store, opening your refrigerator, going to the bathroom without letting someone know. You know, thinking about things. I haven't unlocked the doors and keep waking up in the middle of the night when my heart racing. And luckily, I had like, really close friends. Who were either therapists, or psychiatrists. Sounds good. Luckily, I never had to pay for it.
Michele Baci 21:22
I got some free.
Dr. Russell Ledet 21:23
Yeah, I mean, like, all my life, I got free. Yeah, no, in terms of the therapy space has definitely been free for me since day one. Oh,
Michele Baci 21:32
were you just going? Did you seek out your friends like saying, Hey, I have a problem. I want to talk.
Dr. Russell Ledet 21:38
Yeah, yeah, I went to them. Because like, I it made me uncomfortable, right. So like, I didn't feel good. Mentally, I didn't feel good. I was having headaches, palpitations, waking up in the middle of night, tossing and turning, not resting well, being agitated, easily. Not able to communicate my feelings and stuff very well. And so like I you know, I would call them and be like, yo, like, what's going on? And I was like, yo, like, you need some therapy. And then they would like carve out time in their schedule. To not like, you know, they were able to create boundaries where they were my friend. And they were like, my, like, essentially my family. Mm hmm. But they also my therapist. Oh,
Michele Baci 22:20
so giving you that professional guidance.
Dr. Russell Ledet 22:23
Yeah, like one of my, one of my, my closest friends. She like a big sister to me, as a psychiatrist right now, and she calls all of our meetings, check. She's checking on the frog in my throat. Because I was on this podcast once. And I just like kept saying, like, like,
Unknown Speaker 22:45
no,
Michele Baci 22:46
clearing your throat over and over.
Dr. Russell Ledet 22:48
Yeah. And she was just like, She's like, I got it. She's like, now every time we meet, I'm checking on the frog in your throat. Because basically what she was saying was, you know, you, like, give so much to the world that you've never stopped being good to yourself. And like, um, she was like, I'm here. She's there. I don't care how popular the rest of the world thinks you are. I'm here to check on the front end either. Oh,
Michele Baci 23:11
yeah. That's a good friend. good therapist.
Dr. Russell Ledet 23:14
Yeah, she's a psychiatrist now. So she's, she's my, she's my go to therapist.
Michele Baci 23:20
How's the frog in your throat lately?
Dr. Russell Ledet 23:24
Now has been good. It's been very good, especially me being on vacation right now. I just came off with my internal medicine rotation. And if anybody's ever been in medical school, they know that that's probably one of the tougher rotations that you go on. And so, uh, you know, it's been really good lately, because like, not only have I been having like, very open and honest conversations with, you know, my big sister, who's aka also my therapist and psychiatrists, but I've been having like those open conversations with my wife, you know, moving into a space where I have conversations about, like, what I'm going through and how I'm feeling how I feel like the world is happening, my mental health. And then how do I think my mental health is impacting how I perceive the world? Because it's a two way street, sometimes a three or four way street.
Michele Baci 24:24
I feel like you have to stop and like, take, take stock of your mental health because as a driven person, someone who's in a dual degree program, like kind of never stops moving forward. You have to really take a pause every once in a while and say, How do I feel? Am I okay? Do I need a break? Because if you don't stop, you're gonna burn out. Yeah. Oh, that's great. You have that psychiatry's big sister.
Dr. Russell Ledet 24:51
Yeah, nice. It's amazing. It's really good to have her because She just like, never gets caught up in the things that I'm doing. She's like, how are you doing? Mm hmm. You know, cuz she like you enjoy what you got to take care of. Yeah. And you can go. So I always get off the call and I'm like, Alright, let me go get back to work. She's like, don't go get back to work for 30 minutes.
Michele Baci 25:22
Give yourself a real break every once in a while.
Dr. Russell Ledet 25:25
It's kind of hard. And mainly because like, I feel like I'm racing against the clock. You only give me so many days on earth, and I don't want to waste any days. So I just want to be productive every day.
Michele Baci 25:37
Yeah, I have a similar mindset where I'm always like, am I wasting time? Is this like the right path? For me? I recently got a new therapist and the conversations I'm having with her. She's like, you are very busy. Like, you're, you're doing too much. And I feel like she's stressed out listening to my schedule. And I'm like, I know. But you know, I'm these are important things to me. So what can I do? And she just tells me like, you know, exercise more take take rest, you know, and I'm like, okay, it sounds impossible, but I'll try.
Dr. Russell Ledet 26:10
Exactly, no, you absolutely right. I think it's important.
Michele Baci 26:15
Yeah, you're racing the clock. But humans made up time, like it's a man made construct.
Unknown Speaker 26:21
So there's time.
Dr. Russell Ledet 26:24
No doubt about it.
Michele Baci 26:26
Um, tell us about the Navy. What made you want to join the Navy in the first place?
Dr. Russell Ledet 26:31
Yeah, I mean, I was taught to me and broke. Yeah. Yeah. I think that had a lot to do with it.
Michele Baci 26:40
You were really young, like you were 18?
Dr. Russell Ledet 26:43
Yeah, I was 17. When I was 17, when I saw that. My mom had put me in this program called the United States Naval Sea Cadet Corps, when I was 1413 1314 years old. And that was like my first exposure to the Navy. It was a really cool program. It's like in ROTC, but for the Navy.
Unknown Speaker 27:10
And
Dr. Russell Ledet 27:13
it was my first exposure, and I liked it. And it was an opportunity to get out. So I took it. I mean, it was like, they don't pay me. They don't feed me. And I get to get you know, and I get to get away from me.
Michele Baci 27:26
Yeah, it's good opportunity.
Unknown Speaker 27:28
Yeah.
Michele Baci 27:29
That's smart. How did you see found out about it through the ROTC program? And then, did you think about it much? Are you just like, yep, that's for me signing up today?
Dr. Russell Ledet 27:40
I wouldn't know thinking about it. No. Let's just go sign up. I mean, like, you know, the decision was that deep, it was just like, it's an option. It's an option. And it's a good option. Like I'm taking it. Yeah. Not like want to sit here and ponder on this for too long. I'm taking it
Michele Baci 27:56
was instinctive for you. You're like, that makes sense.
Dr. Russell Ledet 27:59
Absolutely. You know,
Michele Baci 28:02
you didn't even think about, like the education component, because they pay for college after. Is that right?
Dr. Russell Ledet 28:09
I didn't even think about all that. No. So I think for me what it was was, it was an opportunity. Like, you know, I told you I grew up broke as hell. You know, I just thought about it as like, well, this is an opportunity for me to get out.
Michele Baci 28:27
Yeah, it's like, it's a good job. It's
Dr. Russell Ledet 28:30
experience is outside of where I'm from. Even like, pay me Mama so money, like,
Michele Baci 28:39
you're just like, hungry and thirsty for something.
Dr. Russell Ledet 28:42
Like, why wouldn't I take this? wouldn't take this. Hopefully everybody takes this, but maybe they don't. And, of course, there were people who were afraid, you know, they like why are you eating and this and that, and I'm just a breath. Y'all look around, y'all see anything, like amazing opportunity waiting for you know,
Michele Baci 29:03
it shows you a drive at a young age because a lot of people don't get up off. You know, with the the seat they're sitting in, they just stay where they are. Yeah,
Dr. Russell Ledet 29:12
yeah. Um, you know, for me, it was you know, it was just a matter of why would I stay here? I'll have no options here.
Michele Baci 29:25
Yeah, like your plan was, do something else to get out of this city.
Dr. Russell Ledet 29:31
It's like the movie get out. Yeah. Get out in a
Michele Baci 29:36
horror film. Don't
Dr. Russell Ledet 29:39
get out. And get out. Oh,
Michele Baci 29:43
yeah, that title title applies to a lot of things.
Unknown Speaker 29:48
Exactly.
Michele Baci 29:49
What was it like in the Navy? Like what was what was your title while you were there? What was like a typical day? Yeah. So
Dr. Russell Ledet 29:56
my first job was I was a ceremonial guardsmen. So you know, when you turn on the TV and you see the president and stuff like that you see these people who are like standing there and just standing there. Yeah, I was one of those people. And then I also did some burials at Ellington National Cemetery. And like a whole lot, like over 2000
Michele Baci 30:22
for other members of the Navy or veterans. Yeah,
Dr. Russell Ledet 30:24
yeah. For veterans and people who are falling while on active duty
Michele Baci 30:28
over 2000 Oh, my God.
Dr. Russell Ledet 30:33
Oh, and so 2379 to be exact.
Michele Baci 30:39
But who, you know, who's counting?
Dr. Russell Ledet 30:42
down? A little bit. But, you know, you do that. And then, and then I finished up and I went to cryptology, school, cryptology intelligence group down in Pensacola, Florida.
Michele Baci 30:59
What is cryptology? I'm not familiar,
Dr. Russell Ledet 31:02
it's like a, like a, I guess, a fancy way of saying like, analyzing information, okay. It's like the simplest way to put it, like, just like you're, you're an analyst. Okay. That's basically and then you basically analyze, like, radar information while you're at sea. It's like the very
Unknown Speaker 31:28
political way of putting
Dr. Russell Ledet 31:29
it. So yeah, so I did that. Um, and then I got put aboard a ship, USS john Oh, which was a small boy frigate, out of mayport, Florida, which is on the east coast in Jacksonville. And My typical day was going in at about maybe five, maybe six, if we were import, if we were important, going by five or six. Throughout the day, you have meetings and you clean up or you have, you know, seminars and stuff you have to go to or go to trainings or stuff like that, or you have to fix equipment and that kind of stuff.
Michele Baci 32:12
These are, I imagine, like, really long days for you.
Dr. Russell Ledet 32:15
Yeah, yeah, most days are really long. And really dirty. Yeah. But fine. Like, we used to listen to music and, you know, clown around, you know, try to scale the wall on the ship. And it's a lot of good memories on the ship, man. The ship was amazing. Oh,
Michele Baci 32:38
you made friends there. Oh, man, I
Dr. Russell Ledet 32:40
made so many friends. I made brothers while I was there. Like,
Michele Baci 32:44
yeah, if you're going to over 2000 burials, you gotta make a friend or two
Dr. Russell Ledet 32:51
to get through. That was while I was in the ceremonial guard. And then I went on board a ship. Okay. Yeah. So different stages of the Navy. Yeah. So I was stationed in Washington, DC. And then I was stationed in Jacksonville, Florida. And in between, I had some training in Pensacola, Florida. So, um, you know, so that was pretty much the day, like wake up early in the morning, you go to trainings, PT, which is physical therapy.
Michele Baci 33:19
And then are you are you living with like, all of your Navy people?
Dr. Russell Ledet 33:24
Yeah. So we live in? I mean, when you own a ship and your watch? Yeah, you stay on the ship in something called a burden, which is basically a place where people just like, sleep. It's like a house. Yeah.
Michele Baci 33:39
Like you sleep all together, right?
Dr. Russell Ledet 33:41
Yeah, we all sleep together in a very unstable COVID these days.
Michele Baci 33:47
I know. I think there was a navy ship where there was an outbreak early on.
Unknown Speaker 33:50
Yeah. I mean, we're cruising.
Michele Baci 33:52
Any ship outbreak sounds like a disaster. You're like, get me out of this. I will swim to shore.
Dr. Russell Ledet 33:59
So you know, we did that. And then after I finished that up, then what was the next thing on the list? Oh, then that's when my wife convinced me I probably should go to college. So I switched over to the reserves. I stayed in the reserves for those final four and a half years. So I ended up nine and a half years of military time total.
Michele Baci 34:26
That's a significant amount.
Unknown Speaker 34:29
A little bit.
Michele Baci 34:29
It's like a whole life. Like the things you're doing it must it must feel like a lifetime.
Dr. Russell Ledet 34:35
not equal, but pretty fast. always busy. So I just like you know, I'm not, you know, I'm not a wasting time. So I'm having a good time. Yeah. I'm always being productive. So it's kind of fun. I
Michele Baci 34:52
like being busy.
Dr. Russell Ledet 34:54
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I'm enjoying it. So I ended up going to college. But it's time We're at 2009. And now I'm in the reserves, and I'm in college, Southern University and I get a job while I go, Uh huh. So I got a job while I was in school as a security guard at a hospital. And I got this job as security guard because it was a job and I had to pay bills.
Michele Baci 35:26
Yeah. Oh, it sounds like, similar to the Navy reason like, Oh, it was it was a job that paid me.
Dr. Russell Ledet 35:32
Yeah, that's it. That is like all it really boils down to is like, so, uh, you know, so I did that. And I didn't imagine that I would be a doctor like I never wanted. The idea of becoming a doctor is like so far from what I thought I would be. It's just like crazy. I went to college thinking I was gonna be a security guard. I mean, a social worker.
Michele Baci 35:55
Great. I read. I read that a article where one of your professors was like, Wait, you're majoring in social work?
Dr. Russell Ledet 36:03
Yeah. Yeah. And I was just like, yeah, majoring in social work. She was like, we need social workers. But I think he's smart enough to be a scientist. I was like, why people don't even become science. This is like, Well, let me put you in touch with boy. I was like, bro, what? And he convinced me You're majoring in chemistry. And so I majored in chemistry. And I was like, Yo, I think if I understand chemistry, I can understand biology.
Unknown Speaker 36:27
Wow.
Dr. Russell Ledet 36:29
And sure enough, the more chemistry I knew, the more I understood biology, understood the DNA structure, I could understand how replication would cause the cell to divide. And it just made everything else just like so much simpler. And it's kind of crazy, because like, the same way I thought about chemistry, helping with biology, I thought about medicine helping with science.
Michele Baci 36:52
can relate one to the other.
Dr. Russell Ledet 36:53
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So um, but while I was, you know, a security guard. So my normal day when I was in undergrad was I wake up at five. I go for a run, or exercise or whatever. p90x I just come out. I don't know if you know what that is.
Michele Baci 37:10
I remember I never did it. But I remember hearing about it.
Dr. Russell Ledet 37:13
Yeah, so I was doing that. And
Michele Baci 37:15
whenever people told me they were doing that, I would immediately zone out like, oh, not for me. But already already, you're on to this, like, ambitious start to your day. Wake up at five. go for a ride.
Dr. Russell Ledet 37:27
I was late work if I was like,
Unknown Speaker 37:30
the Navy. Yeah.
Dr. Russell Ledet 37:32
Most days I wake up at four. Oh, my God. Yeah. I'm up by five o'clock every day? No, sir.
Michele Baci 37:38
I could already I'm like, you're doing so much in the morning.
Dr. Russell Ledet 37:43
Yeah, by eight o'clock, Adam did a lot already. Well, and so you know, my day was starting five. Then I dropped the kids off, I dropped my oldest daughter off at the time was a baby to daycare, and then go to school. And then go to school from eight to 315. And then drive from school to the hospital, get to work by 345, put on my uniform, and be a security guard from four to midnight. And then go home study and then do it again the next day. Every day. Because I was working there full time. I was working as a full time security guard. I was full time double major in college. And I was still in the reserves. So in the reserves, you work one weekend a month, right?
Michele Baci 38:30
Are you only one person? You know, just so you're in a double major program. You're full time security guard, and you're in the reserves and you're a father and you're waking up at five o'clock in the morning to go for a run.
Dr. Russell Ledet 38:44
That's normal now. Yes, like, yeah, my life has always been jam packed. It's always been like, how much can I fit into a day?
Michele Baci 38:52
Which is really cool. And I respect that. But how do you function? How does your sleep get you through the day? Like, are you healthy this whole time? Yeah.
Dr. Russell Ledet 39:04
I think I'm just I'm, I'm living. I mean, I'm enjoying the life. I'm living like you're making the most of it, enjoy living like, they'll be more like looking for an opportunity to like, sort of. I guess it all depends on what you enjoy. For me, I enjoy like impact. I enjoy productivity. I enjoy like doing stuff. Some people enjoy doing absolutely nothing. Yeah. When absolutely nothing. It bothers me that I do absolutely nothing. It's like It's like a struggle for me to sit down and do nothing.
Michele Baci 39:39
Yeah, I feel
Dr. Russell Ledet 39:41
like I have to really work at it. Like legitimately work at it to just sit down. My wife and I just played our 15 year anniversary vacation.
Michele Baci 39:52
Congratulations.
Dr. Russell Ledet 39:53
Oh, thank you, um, and
Michele Baci 39:56
you're like, I can't go I have other things to do.
Dr. Russell Ledet 40:00
But I told my wife, I was like, I'm not bringing my laptop. Okay, I can't work. And she was like, that's a really good idea. And I was sitting down. I was like, I'm gonna tell my manager, I'm not bringing my laptop, and she's gonna laugh. Oh, mainly because like, you know, it's kind of crazy to, I don't know, man, I don't know. Like, I actually love doing stuff, I feel
Michele Baci 40:27
you. I feel like I have a similar, probably a much smaller version of this problem where it's like, you want to be doing stuff all the time to feel like you're enriching your brain. You're making the most of your time on the planet. Like you're helping people. Like, I have trouble sitting around and watching TV. I'm always like, this TV is brainwashing me, how do I get away from this? Like, I always bring my laptop on vacation. So did you go on that vacation didn't happen yet?
Dr. Russell Ledet 40:55
No, it's in July. Okay. So between now and then I need to be as productive as possible. I'm not that bothered by the fact that I'm not checking my email, and I'm not checking. You know,
Michele Baci 41:09
don't check your email. The email is like the worst. Like, thing that we have to like, scratch all the time. We're like, who is trying to message me? Like, you know, what company is trying to contact me? It's just a message like, do you think I opened my physical mail? I don't. So why am I so addicted to my email inbox?
Dr. Russell Ledet 41:28
Well, I mean, sometimes email is important. Yeah, just go. You know what I'm saying? I mean, it's, I don't I don't know. You're
Michele Baci 41:36
allowed to take a break?
Dr. Russell Ledet 41:39
Sometimes? Yeah. Kinda.
Michele Baci 41:42
Like, no, no one's gonna shut down. The world's not gonna end if you get to your messages A week later.
Dr. Russell Ledet 41:49
I think you're absolutely right. I just think that I've been operating this fast for so long. That it's hard for me to fathom that what you're saying right now is true.
Michele Baci 41:58
But you also realize that like your, your family relationship, your relationship with your wife is super important. So you have to shut down the productivity a little bit sometimes. Yeah,
Dr. Russell Ledet 42:09
yeah, you're absolutely right. And I do. It's just that I don't like it.
Michele Baci 42:13
I know. That's why you have to be, I don't know, crank up the productivity before this vacation. And then once you're on vacation, you're like, Okay, I don't want to see any blue light from a computer. I'm totally in nature. And you know, in the in the relationship we're celebrating. It's hard. Um, let me see. So I feel like yeah, I feel like you're making me more productive talking to you. Was it hard when you first went back to school to like, do that and be a father and be a husband? How did you juggle family with school?
Dr. Russell Ledet 42:52
I'm just taking it day by day. I think that's the way I'm looking at. Day by day. everything that I'm doing is it day by day process. Some days, I'm great at it. Some days, I'm not. And I gotta be okay with that.
Michele Baci 43:05
To live in the present pretty well, it sounds like
Dr. Russell Ledet 43:09
very much like, I'll have these spontaneous moments where, like, you know, my wife very well may come home today. And I'd be like, I'm shutting everything down. We're boiling crawfish. And we sit down and just chill. Like, that makes us happy today. That may just happen. Like, just just like, why not? Oh,
Michele Baci 43:31
that's a good way to live
Dr. Russell Ledet 43:32
by phrases like, Saturday, like Friday night. I texted my manager was like, Yo, I don't want to do anything on Saturday. cancel everything.
Michele Baci 43:47
Honestly, it worked out for me cuz I would have had to wake up so early.
Dr. Russell Ledet 43:51
I was like, No, cancel everything. Okay. Like, it's all right. What do I mind? I was like, Yo, this feels terrible. And I was like, I just don't feel like doing it. I just don't. I mean, everyday demands something on me. So one day, I just don't want to do anything.
Michele Baci 44:08
Yeah. And that's good. You have a manager who can like help you shut everything down if you need.
Dr. Russell Ledet 44:13
Yeah, she she will be like, No, no, you're not doing this. No, you know, we canceling this. You're not doing it helps you organize between her and my wife. Like I'm actually a person. Otherwise, I'm a train wreck.
Michele Baci 44:29
You have a team?
Dr. Russell Ledet 44:30
Yeah, exactly. So that's how we keep them Russell.
Michele Baci 44:34
Thank God for the team.
Dr. Russell Ledet 44:37
Tag Team.
Michele Baci 44:38
So we skipped over the whole security guards story. How did you get from that position to where you are now like a med student.
Dr. Russell Ledet 44:48
So, um, yes, I was a security guard at that hospital. There's a ramp in the front of that hospital. Right.
Michele Baci 44:55
And that's a hard job too.
Dr. Russell Ledet 44:58
It is challenging. It's challenging, you know. And to be honest, I was trying to do that job and study at the same time. 24 seven, because you
Michele Baci 45:09
can I, I had a job as a live audience coordinator for TV shows, and I would like hang out with the security guards because we were doing similar stuff. But I was like watching the audience.
Dr. Russell Ledet 45:21
Right. Yeah. So that downtime? Yeah, I mean, so I think so I had that job. And I started imagining becoming a physician. Because I saw so many physicians. I would ask so many physicians like, Hey, can I shadow you? I remember them laughing. I wrote, security guys don't become doctors.
Michele Baci 45:48
Yeah. It's not a natural progression.
Dr. Russell Ledet 45:52
Is it though? Is it though? What is the natural progression of becoming a doctor at this point? We don't know.
Michele Baci 45:57
Yeah. Oh, just like humans are like, very linear, where they're like, oh, that doesn't make sense.
Dr. Russell Ledet 46:05
Humans is so linear that it has to go this way.
Michele Baci 46:11
Which is a problem, but it's kind of how our brains are wired.
Dr. Russell Ledet 46:16
is how we're wired to think. But that's definitely not how we have to think no, oh, nevertheless, you know, so I started imagining, finally got an opportunity to shadow with Dr. Patrick, and Dr. Peter Bostic, and started thinking, I got an opportunity. So I applied to medical school coming out of undergrad, and I applied to graduate school too, because I was told that I was smarter enough to become a scientist. So, um, so all these
Michele Baci 46:45
people in your life had to, like, encourage you, for you to believe in yourself.
Dr. Russell Ledet 46:50
Oh, yeah. Because, like, because I was doing things and nobody I'd ever met done. That especially people who look like me. Yeah, you know, I mean, if we honest, right, you met me in a grocery store. You wouldn't believe I've done as much as I've done. Like it take a little while for to like, you like oh, no, like, it's like actually not like, like, yeah, cuz we
Michele Baci 47:12
don't see a lot of like, black doctors, black PhDs?
Dr. Russell Ledet 47:17
No, especially they look like me. I'm gonna tell you right now. I can promise you that. I know that.
Michele Baci 47:24
I trust you. You're in the fields. Yeah.
Dr. Russell Ledet 47:26
So, you know, I'm pretty sure medicine had it their own way. I probably had to cut my hair and cut my beard. That's a whole nother conversation. Oh, yeah. But you know, at the end of the day, you know, I got an opportunity to go to NYU School of Medicine coming out of undergrad I graduated. magna cum laude is Southern University with degrees in chemistry and biology and four years. And then two weeks later started my PhD.
Michele Baci 47:54
Two weeks later.
Dr. Russell Ledet 47:56
Wow, two weeks later, my wife and I took like, four days to drive up to New York. We got a place to say. And then I started my PhD. And then I graduated from there four and a half years later, wow, I graduate. I graduated with my PhD and four and a half years. And that's
Michele Baci 48:11
remarkable, too, right?
Dr. Russell Ledet 48:13
Oh, yeah. It's crazy. And my work got published in a really, really, really important journal. nature.
Unknown Speaker 48:23
Nature, nature. Okay.
Michele Baci 48:24
Yeah. Congratulations, and what was the PhD in
Dr. Russell Ledet 48:29
molecular oncology and tumor immunology? Okay.
Michele Baci 48:33
I know, really, three of those words like, what's the what's the last word?
Dr. Russell Ledet 48:39
tumor immunology. So, I mean, the program is called molecular oncology and tumor immunology or moty. Basically, just means that you understand cancer, really miniscule level. Okay.
Michele Baci 48:52
That's important.
Dr. Russell Ledet 48:53
Yeah, really important. And then, you know, like I said, I progressed to medical school. And now I'm here. And I'm having the time of my life for my two kids. And my wife, and I'm just, I'm rocking it right now. I'm,
Michele Baci 49:11
like, it sounds like you've been rocking it the whole time.
Dr. Russell Ledet 49:15
Pretty much say to me, oh, but I've been productive. And I've been impactful. And that's what matters the most, you know, in and I got my people with, so we get a job that, you know,
Michele Baci 49:27
that's such a good word for it. impactful.
Dr. Russell Ledet 49:31
Yeah. Yeah. You're leaving your parties. Yeah. I mean, it's a lot of kids coming from where I come from, you know, who are who are happy that I'm doing what I'm doing. You know?
Michele Baci 49:46
Yeah. You're the role model that you didn't have.
Dr. Russell Ledet 49:49
No, that's it. You just hit the nail on the head. Um, I am the role model that I didn't have, you know,
Michele Baci 49:59
so great. Russell, I'm so proud of you. I don't even know you. That's really cool. Yeah.
Dr. Russell Ledet 50:06
Thank you.
Michele Baci 50:07
And then did you work? You worked at the same hospital where you? Were you were once a security guard, he became a med student there?
Dr. Russell Ledet 50:17
Indeed. Indeed, the I did. I ended up working at the exact same hospital that I was once a security guard at, and it felt so good. I cried in my car today before I went up there, and it just felt so good.
Michele Baci 50:34
Have you written a script about this yet? I feel like this has to become a movie at some point.
Dr. Russell Ledet 50:42
I haven't written a script about it. Maybe somebody else's. But I don't know. Maybe they are. Maybe they? i? I don't know. I wouldn't know anything about it. They are. Okay.
Michele Baci 50:52
Let me know if you want to make it happen. I'm in Hollywood. I'm a writer. I know writers. But that sounds like the perfect story. You know, full circle.
Dr. Russell Ledet 51:02
Yeah. I mean, yeah. You know, I wrote this article. in nature. Okay. I guess I have a an attraction towards nature play. Yeah. Where I talked about just this journey that I've taken. And just like, what does it mean? Like, what does all of this mean? You know, when I went and got my PhD, um, I have this, I had this picture taken of, so when you get your PhD, they like, do something called hooding you like they heard you, okay. But they have like this like circular piece of cloth that they put over you. And it means that you are legitimately a doctorate now. And I brought my oldest daughter up on the stage with me, it's like hundreds of people in the audience watching. And there's this picture of my child standing next to me watching me be hooded. And I, like always refer back to that picture. Because that's like, that's the transference that I'm trying to make. And, you know, that's, that's really what all of this really means is that, you know, my child. And my children, I have two children, Malia Molina, who get an opportunity to, they get to understand the entire journey that I've taken to get here, you know, and it's not just my journey, it's a shared journey between my my wife and I. And, you know, it's so meaningful, because coming from where I come from, like, people never make it this far.
Michele Baci 52:48
No, you're, you're definitely an outlier. Like to do all of this in one lifetime. You seem very young, you know, you have little kids, I don't know how you get five hours of sleep, and you're still alive. Like, it blows my mind.
Dr. Russell Ledet 53:04
I'm having a blast, Michele, you know, and, and I'm being productive, which is what matters the most,
Michele Baci 53:10
which is awesome. You're inspiring me to read books? Like Michele, why are you watching TV? Get up, read a book? And then tell us about the 15 white coats?
Dr. Russell Ledet 53:22
Yes, sir. 15, white coats was founded. After this photo, a 15 black medical students went viral. You know, and, you know, basically what we did is we took that notoriety and built the company. And basically, we built this company because we wanted to diversify medicine. The idea was, there aren't enough minorities in medicine. So we're going to take out notoriety, get some people to donate to his cell, the photo, give the photo to classroom so that kids can be inspired. And then we're going to take the money, and we're going to provide scholarships to minorities so that they can apply to medical school. And that's essentially what we've done. You know, and that photo is everywhere, literally, everywhere.
Michele Baci 54:20
How did the photo start? Like who did?
Dr. Russell Ledet 54:24
Yeah, so basically this summer. The Summer of 2019. Yeah, July 2019. My best friend who was getting his PhD right along with me, came down to visit me in New Orleans. We brought my daughter in law, we go to visit this plantation. And when we're visiting this plantation, my daughter is like, not interested in being here. She just wants to go play tennis with our friends. Right. So, but then we left. It was like 45 minutes outside of New Orleans. So we're like 15 minutes down the road headed back to New Orleans. And Malia stops his mid conversation. She's like, Dad, I finally understand why it's such a big deal to be a black doctor in America. I'm like, all right, explain this to me. Explain to me what you're talking about. And she was like, well, we just left a plantation. And like, that was a time when black people were nothing more than just property. And now I'm riding in a car with two black doctors. She's like, that's a long way for us to come. You know, she was like, we were property. Like, we weren't able to be scientists, lawyers, accountants, doctors. Yeah, she
Michele Baci 55:44
sees it with her own eyes.
Dr. Russell Ledet 55:46
Yeah, yeah. She saw it with her own eyes. And so like, I looked at Philip, and I was like, Yo, I got this idea. I was like, bro, we can take this photo, and it'll go viral. I was like, but it'll show the world how far black people in America have come.
Unknown Speaker 55:59
And
Dr. Russell Ledet 56:00
so I asked him classmates if it was a good idea, and he was like, bet me on board. Let's get it done. We went on ahead and did it. And sure, as I tell you, um, you know, we took the photo posted on social media, it blew up, like blew blew up. And
Michele Baci 56:19
like the magazine, you plan for it to blow up? And it did?
Dr. Russell Ledet 56:24
Yeah, pretty much.
Dr. Russell Ledet 56:26
Yeah, I told him in the email. I was like, This is gonna be an iconic photo. Yeah. No, really. I was like, I'm telling you, it's gonna be I can't
Michele Baci 56:34
tell you. You knew what was coming.
Dr. Russell Ledet 56:37
Yeah. And we went all black in our white coats, you know, and I just changed the world. That pops.
Michele Baci 56:43
Yeah. We I hope we see more of that. We have to wrap. Tell us where to find you. And thank you so much. This has been such a great conversation.
Dr. Russell Ledet 56:52
Yes, you can find me on Instagram and Twitter at Dr. Russell le de. That's at Dr. R. Us SEO, et. Or you can also find the 15 white coats at the 15 white coats on Instagram and Twitter. And also go visit our website the 15 whitecoat.org on any internet platform you can find
Michele Baci 57:15
sounds great.
Dr. Russell Ledet 57:16
Thank you for having me.
Michele Baci 57:18
Thank you. This was such a pleasure and I really hope you get to you know, get rid of that laptop in July.
Dr. Russell Ledet 57:24
I don't want to but
Michele Baci 57:27
thank you again.
Dr. Russell Ledet 57:28
Yeah, no problem at all.
Michele Baci 57:29
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